MF & LB Crucify!!.......or praise them?

[heyamigo]

like i said, she likely won't tell us anyways even if there was a response so it's all speculation at this point. both of them keep personal things to themselves, especially mylene so this will probably not be revealed to the public.

[fatman]

Originally Posted by tbailey

i believe it's this one

http://moi-alizee.us/play/?v=82

my pc isn't allowing me to play it right now
so i can't check for sure

but check it out if you want

That was awesome!!! Slap in the face...lol

thanks for the link and yes, that was the right one.

[Roman]

I'm with Euphoria and also HeyAmigo.

M&L were done with Alizée?
To HeyAmigo's point, I think it was a combination. Probably they all just saw that it was not going to be the same if they continued and I think to Alizée the thought of failure with them and being dismissed by them was too unappealing. She said herself that she would have been very depressed if they had asked her to leave, but it was the other way around. I suspect the fear of that result is part of why she left. If you think about it, Alizée was a huge success, even in the UK and Asia and that's why they did English versions of songs. They hoped she would continue to rocket upward in her level of success and they were obviously trying to achieve some global penetration. It didn't really happen. Even if MCE was plenty successful to continue it must have been a bit of a let down. High expectations make for high disappointment if they don't work out. Alizée was always trying to guard against that.

Alizée was done with M&L?
To Euphoria's point, I also agree that after going her whole life doing what other people said to do, eventually Alizée decided that she was an adult and she needed to do her own thing. That's what she says. I felt some of that in my own life, so I can relate. There was a quote I recently found on the cover of a magazine from like October 2003 or something where Alizée said she wanted to have a baby at 20. It might have been a somewhat idle comment at the time, but she did end up doing just that. Plus, I think Alizée eventually had to face certain facts about the direction she was going in with Mylène and couldn't just "have fun" anymore without considering the image she was portraying. I think even if Alizée's career as a big celebrity singer ends by the end of this year, if she can handle that reality, she made the right choice in doing what was healthy for her. Britney Spears just always is an example that one can use. Alizée is better off I think not having become like that (professionally or personally).

Now and on her own ...
Unfortunately, we can now really see just how things go without M&L. I think they were as good a trio as you can ask for. It would not have worked if any of those three were not there I think. It's unfair to blame a 23 year old Alizée for failing to create the same kind of magic that seems to have existed before, but it's also true. At the same time, Psychédélices is actually pretty darn good considering I probably would not have picked any of those people to work with Alizée even if I had been familiar with them.

Art? Sex? Gratitude?
There was a lot of playing on sexuality with Alizée, but even that can not be dismissed as banal and non-artistic. It's the human expression of spirit that communicates powerfully to the audience that makes it art. Laurent had his own ambitions that didn't quite turn out how he wanted. He originally wanted to be a movie producer or director. He eventually made a movie with Mylène, but that's about it. Instead he got into a great career with Mylène doing music. The guy is a great composer, if evidenced nowhere else but in Alizée's music. It is painful for me to think that time is past and won't come again. Painful.

I'm sure there were some aspects of their relationship that Alizée came to not like even beyond just getting bored. It seems it was a business relationship in the end. Early on Alizée spoke of Mylène as a benefactor, but ultimately producer is the word she uses. She is very grateful to them as she should be. I've always said that and I still think it is so.

Only praise ...
All taken together I can only praise them and say that some of what they did, if from a marketing perspective or artistic perspective, to me was genius. For example, the video for Gourmandises was a masterpiece I say. The effectiveness of what it communicated is just amazing and at the same time it has the effect of pure joy even if through lust, unlike the dark brooding songs and videos in which Mylène performed. I think it played as innocent and yet truthful of the feelings of adolescents (and the rest of us perhaps). It represented the lustful fantasies of youth - simple and uncorrupted by either a perverted prurience or puritanical prudishness. I think without Alizée as inspiration maybe that would never have happened.

Primal praise ... human flaws
While being young certainly has it's difficulties and for some horrible insecurities and let downs, there is a great feeling that is remembered with a fondness that can really only be had at that time I think. Maybe it's all simple biological emotion, but that speaks to our humanity. Is the primal praise worthy? Alizée reawakened in me, not that emotion, though the memory of it and a certain level of youthful excitement that I think I had not experienced probably since I was younger than she was in that video - even if only for a moment. That was a positive thing for me and much of the credit for that also goes to Mylène and Laurent. It's really probably unfair that all my affection has been heaped on Alizée, but it was she who was the focal point and she who was the person we all identify with. I can not fall in love with an idea, only a real human female. Some people talk about the technological singularity (look it up) where the world as we know it and humanity as we know it can change. It may be that there is a better form of life than what we live and sometimes I've felt that we must create it to replace us because of our flaws such as our conflicted construction of mind and body. Alizée made me feel like there is something to love about humanity and maybe we are ok just like we are. The aura about her may have changed. Peut-être c'est vraie que « les contes de fée sont fait pour être défait » but I've seen a little piece of divinity like no religion has ever inspired in me. It's the ability to feel that way. I can't say that I've falling in love with Alizée in the same way as with other women I've known (except maybe for some moments), but if tears of longing speak of anything, then yes, if you crucify them, you must also praise them for their part in bringing to us an Alizée whom we have loved in our way. I'm sorry. I think I may have I've fallen and I can't get up.

Ok, then after I'm done being all dramatic, I guess Deepwaters has a point there, though I'll just say that Alizée's future is unclear. I wish more good times for us all.

By the way, it's clear enough to me that she confirmed they did not respond about the album. Certainly she implied she doesn't really know what they think. I think she must have said that they responded positively to Mademoiselle Juliette when it was a single and she's not telling, however, exactly what Mylène's reaction was. One thing is crystal clear to me, Alizée no longer has any relationship with M&L. This does seem odd to some of us considering what they shared, but as I don't really know any of them well enough, there's not really anything to say.

[Scruffydog777]

Originally Posted by OGRE

Well, that's better than something out of blue, but it still lacks confirmation. Merely answering a presumptive question is not sufficient to validate the presumption. This is especially true for a celebrity where it would not be in one's best interest to confirm or deny every leading question laced with presumption. Because if you get in the habit of always denying that which is untrue and not confirming that which is true, then that which is never confirmed infers truth.

A wise celebrity must leave some (or all) presumptive questions as unconfirmed, regardless whether they are founded on truth or not. Just answer the question, without confirmation. Which is what Alizée did in this instance.

For some reason, this reminds me of the Aflac commercial where Yogi Berra says "They give you cash, which is just as good as money!"

[The Cap]

Crucify. Absolutely.

It's been ages since I saw a good crucifixion.

[wasabi622]

I'm going to say that we praise them. I think no matter how we put it, if it wasn't for them, Alizee would most likely not have made it to where she is/was.

Sure, she was a great singer, as shown by her performances before MF and LB, but there's absolutely nothing to suggest that she'd have made it on her own. I'm sure as hell there were other winners from that show, yet only Alizee seems to have come out the best.

What did she have that the others didn't?


(I thought this thread was interesting because we have been talking about whether or not the "new" Alizee would be successful and whatnot. Thought I'd just bring this back up. )

[ALS]

If those two had not taken her under their wing, Alizée would not be the women we know today. Non of us would have ever heard of that adorable little girl from Ajaccio.

[Fenris]

Originally Posted by ALS

If those two had not taken her under their wing, Alizée would not be the women we know today. Non of us would have ever heard of that adorable little girl from Ajaccio.

Well, i think we can all agree to that

As for MF and LB, i adore them both, they have created a unique musical universe which i consider to be the work of a genius.
Why MF is not a worldwide superstar i don't really know, maybe french music has it's limits when it comes to exporting itself.

Anyway, Alizée is on her own now, and musicwise she did reasonably well with her first "own" album. Ofc the magic of the old days is gone and will never come back, but still she has charme and talent, and i mostly like what she is doing (maybe except the shitty promotion/management aspect of her later career).

We will see how long she lasts in todays music industry, but i hope "une enfant du siècle" is not the end of the line for this remarkable and beautiful woman.

[FanDeAliFee]

I suppose there are more than a few members of this site who know more about both AJ and MF than do I. But I thought I now had enough understanding of both to have a bit of fun by comparing them in what I hope you will find is an imaginatve way.

So have a look at my new page, The difference between Alizée and Mylène, and let me know what you think.

[Bigdan]

Originally Posted by Scruffydog777

By the way, who gets the credit for all those beautiful dance routines? MF, I suspect.

No doubt about it...