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Old 11-06-2007, 02:23 AM
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fsquared's point is perfectly valid. So long as we're speaking different languages, phonetically writing in those languages is useless.

In proper international phonetic terms, it is:

A voiced alveolar lateral continuant consonant, followed by the highest of the front vowel sounds in full long pronunciation, repeated together twice.

Written, it looks like this:



By this token, Alizée is pronounced
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That's a somewhat circular statement, isn't it? Presumably we are trying to ascertain a "correct" pronunciation, e.g., how she would say her own name and nickname. Thus it makes sense to attempt to convey that pronunciation in terms most familiar to speakers of English.
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It's the same reason that Leelee Sobieski spells her name that way. I think her nickname, like Alizée, was Lili, but since she's an American, she spells it so that we can understand. Her father is of French origin.
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Old 11-06-2007, 05:20 AM
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fsquared is getting at somewhere... :blink:



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By this token, Alizée is pronounced
Eh... How about no ?

Alizée is pronounced [a.li.ze]...

NOT [æ.li:.zɛ]

æ is the most typical mistake people does... a is never pronounced æ in French ! Not even close...

A is always pronounced as a.


And it's not even i:... It's much smaller mistake, tho. However, it's way too long for French i. French i is standard length. It's not shortened or lengthened i.

(shortened i (I) is like "sit" in English, and lengthened i (i:) is like "sea" in english. French i is in between.)


And no... It's not ɛ... but e.

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Well, RMJ seems to be in a mood, but I'll have to admit that while it may still be missing the point, http://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/aliz%C3%A9 (a french to french dictionary) says this:

alizé [FONT='DejaVu Sans','Lucida Grande','Arial Unicode MS','Lucida Sans Unicode','Charis SIL','Doulos SIL',Gentium,GentiumAlt,'Adobe Pi Std',Code2000,'Chrysanthi Unicode','TITUS Cyberbit Basic','Bitstream Cyberbit','Hiragino Kaku Gothic Pro','Matrix Unicode',sans-serif]/a.li.ze/[/font] masculin
  1. (Marine) Certains vents qui règnent entre les deux tropiques et qui soufflent de l’est à l’ouest. <dl><dd>Vents alizés.</dd></dl>
(edit: ok, so this web site jacked up the code, but the pronunciation you can see.)
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Eh... How about no ?

Alizée is pronounced [a.li.ze]...

NOT [æ.li:.zɛ]

æ is the most typical mistake people does... a is never pronounced æ in French ! Not even close...

A is always pronounced as a.


And it's not even i:... It's much smaller mistake, tho. However, it's way too long for French i. French i is standard length. It's not shortened or lengthened i.

(shortened i (I) is like "sit" in English, and lengthened i (i is like "sea" in english. French i is in between.)


And no... It's not ɛ... but e.
RMJ, I thought that you didn't speak French?
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Old 11-06-2007, 09:03 AM
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This is the weirdest debate I've seen on these forums...I'm actually not even sure if it's for real..

It really isn't that hard to understand. For people that don't know a lick of French or anything about French pronunciation, the simplest way to spell it to get them to pronounce it as correctly as possible is LeeLee. Period.

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In deed... "a lot like"... so why not do it proper and pronounce it Lili like French does it ?


Yes LiLi might be very close in French pronunciation, but for a lot of people here there is a few different ways you can pronounce Lili...but there is really only one way for english native speakers to say LeeLee, and that way happens to be the correct pronunciation. The goal of this thread was to ensure english native speakers are saying it correctly, not "doing it proper like the French does it"..

I know this point has already been by different people..it's just suprising we are still debating it.
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This is the weirdest debate I've seen on these forums...I'm actually not even sure if it's for real..
And this is from a forum that's seen some pretty weird debates (anyone remember the Fanta vs. OJ melee in August?


PS It was Fanta.
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PS It was Fanta.
Off topic, but thank you... Finally
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Old 11-06-2007, 11:29 AM
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You so sure ?

But then again, not many are match to me...
in what sense?

perhaps you should look up "pronunciation" in the dictionary. hell, it even tells you how to pronounce it.

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Old 11-06-2007, 11:58 AM
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Don' bother your head with it. It's too complicated for you.


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RMJ, I thought that you didnt's speak French?
I don't.

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but there is really only one way for english native speakers to say LeeLee, and that way happens to be the correct pronunciation.
Well, it isn't.

English does not have French i sound. You cannot pronounce it correctly with English examples.
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