Wow!

[kdn]

Originally Posted by Snatcher42

I've provided the statistics that do mean something: webpages, forum members, forum posts, etc. And those all show things as I've said: Internet "popularity" about equal, if not in Mylene's favor.

Like I said, those statistic can be affected by spam bots. If you think traffic stats can be generated by bots, why not those?

Originally Posted by Snatcher42

if even a fraction of the people who own a Mylene album and a fraction of the people who own an Alizée one go online, then the numbers are far in Mylene's favor.

What do you mean "If"? It doesn't happen.
That's why it has been all about the internet from the beginning.

Originally Posted by Snatcher42

BUT... I already have accepted this point multiple times:

"Sure, but as I said 75% of those just know the JEAM dance."

The first time I ask for prove. Do you have any prove?

Beside, they don't search for "JEAM", it's "alizee" they are searching for.

Originally Posted by Snatcher42

"knowing does not equal popularity.
Popularity = # of fans."[/I]

Ok, I have already said I put it in another way: there are more geeks know about Alizée.

Originally Posted by Snatcher42

It's not about facts versus feelings. I do think those traffic stats are wrong because I've worked on alizee-forum for four years and know. But that doesn't matter.

Yeah, maybe you are right. And that doesn't matter, people search for her, visit the site, find something to download or watch a video... then leave. But they must know her name is alizee to search for it, don't they? And maybe that's why the statistic is high but there aren't many registered members. About Mylene, there is nothing free to download, not even a picture for wikipedia.

Originally Posted by Snatcher42

I never doubted the Google Trends. Sure, more people may be searching for Alizée, it's just that that doesn't matter! As I keep saying, it's not an indication of popularity, fanbase, or anything important.

5 guys know about Alizée, 4 out of them have no idea who Mylène is. And you said it doesn't important.

[Ben]

Originally Posted by kdn

Like I said, those statistic can be affected by spam bots. If you think traffic stats can be generated by bots, why not those?

Because I read and/or moderate the forums, so know when they are and when they're not (and certainly in the post count stats, since any spam gets deleted). Besides, both sides get spam bots, so it shouldn't affect the comparison... The exception being that issue I mentioned with the fanpage. That was serious and unusual, and almost led to us having to shut down.

Originally Posted by kdn

What do you mean "If"? It doesn't happen.
That's why it has been all about the internet from the beginning.

As I said (might have missed it cause it was a late edit): "Not to bring real-life into this too much, because I know it's just about the internet, but seriously we're talking about an artist who has sold over 20 millions albums and plays 15,000 seat areans versus one who's sold less than a tenth that and plays to crowds of a few thousand. Some of that is going to be reflected online."

Originally Posted by kdn

The first time I ask for prove. Do you have any prove?
Beside, they don't search for "JEAM", it's "alizee" they are searching for.

I didn't mean literally. I meant they're the people who look at a pic or vid or two and then go away.

Originally Posted by kdn

Ok, I have already said I put it in another way: there are more geeks know about Alizée.

Yeah, but who cares?

Originally Posted by kdn

Yeah, maybe you are right. And that doesn't matter, people search for her, visit the site, find something to download or watch a video... then leave. But they must know her name is alizee to search for it, don't they? And maybe that's why the statistic is high but there aren't many registered members. About Mylene, there is nothing free to download, not even a picture for wikipedia.

Right.

Originally Posted by kdn

5 guys know about Alizée, 4 out of them have no idea who Mylène is. And you said it doesn't important.

And how many of them have bought a CD? Would consider going to a concert? Read a forum, or post on one? Even just once. How many do anything other than look at a pic or video and then leave? Every one who does is worth 100 of those other guys.

And that's who we should be counting.
That's who my numbers have been trying to give a sense of.

Also, not a single French person would know Alizée but not Mylene... though the opposite could be true.


The short version:
Yes, I'm sure more people have seen Alizée online, but in terms of fans Mylene has just as many, if not more. And that, to me, is real popularity.

[kdn]

Maybe this isn't a good statistic, but I'll post it because a lot of people know about youtube:

Mylenes' videos on Youtube: the most viewed has 110,883 views.
http://www.youtube.com/results?searc...rch_category=0

Alizée: one vid has 2,118,242 views.
http://www.youtube.com/results?searc...rch_category=0

Originally Posted by Snatcher42

The short version:
Yes, I'm sure more people have seen Alizée online, but in terms of fans Mylene has just as many, if not more. And that, to me, is real popularity.

Well, they don't accidentally see her. They care enough to search for her name. In terms of well known, Alizée is way more than Mylène. And that's all I'm trying to say.

[Ben]

Originally Posted by kdn

Alizée: one vid has 2,118,242 views.

Yeah, about 2mil of those were just to check out her rear. Seriously. Don't underestimate how much that sort of thing drives the internet. But Mylene escapes it more than Alizée.

And a YouTube video is very easy to watch, so that's exactly the type of statistic I mean: sure more people have seen one or two, but that's diddly squat if it's all they do, which is the case for many.

Also getting back to an earlier point, it's important to keep in mind that YouTube is primarily an American based site. It's used far less in France for any subject.

If you look at a site which is more common there, such DailyMotion, the view counts are much closer and there are twice as many Mylene videos as Alizée ones.

Now yes France is not the whole internet, but you can't ignore it either, especially when talking about two French artists. There's more international Alizée stuff, but more French Mylene. Take them together and it balances out.

[kdn]

Originally Posted by Snatcher42

And a YouTube video is very easy to watch, so that's exactly the type of statistic I mean: sure more people have seen one or two, but that's diddly squat if it's all they do, which is the case for many.

No, that's not all they do. They has been searching for "alizee" for years.

Originally Posted by Snatcher42

Take them together and it balances out.

Does it?
The search statistic is for the whole internet (France and the world), and it shows that Lili is being searched many times more than Mylene. I don't think 5/1 and 20/1 are balances.

The numbers are right there, what else do you need?

[heyamigo]

dang you guys still at it? don't you guys sleep...

just agree to disagree and lets move on...

[Deepwaters]

It's kind of silly to be making the comparison at this point anyway. Mylène is at the peak of her career or perhaps a bit past the peak; Alizée has barely started, and her career prior to taking this long break was entirely in partnership with Mylène. There will be no way to make a realistic appraisal -- if you want to do something as silly as compare the two in the first place -- for at least another year.

[kdn]

Actually I do agree with him that Mylene has more fans.

But, Alizée is more well known.
(I'm not talking about fans, as I stated from the beginning: fans and non-fans)

@Deepwaters: we're not talking about their career. But you're right, comparing their career, one young and one not very young, is silly.

[Deepwaters]

Just got to add one other thing here, anyone who thinks Mylène Farmer isn't a hot babe any more just because she's in her 40s needs glasses. Good grief!

[heyamigo]

hehe..shes hot in her own way, but i would think she's much hotter if i didn't have this association of mylene with linda cohn, the ESPN sportscenter anchor...

do you notice the resembelence?









they gotta be related....