Julien Doré "Moi...lolita" ?

[Gatchaman]

Originally Posted by Killian

Are you talking about the TV version or the single, because the TV version did absolutely suck, I was shocked when I heard it. But the single is actually quite good, I was surprised at how rocky and, how do I say this eloquently, not gay it sounded.

yeah it was the video version. Still i don't like the idea of someone other than Lili singing her signature song.

[fsquared]

Here, finally, is the discussion of the attempt Julien made to alter the lyrics. Anyone who wants to translate is welcome to do so.

http://www.chartsinfrance.net/actual...s65315-22.html

Mylène Farmer a refusé. Je souhaitais glisser "aphorisme dadaïste" puis "bar blues" au lieu de "bas bleus" et "donner ma langue aux chattes" à la place de "chat". Elle a trouvé cela vulgaire alors qu'elle faisait chanter cela à une gamine de quatorze ans en mini-jupe. Elle a raison, la vulgarité évolue...

[Deepwaters]

Originally Posted by fsquared

Mylène Farmer a refusé. Je souhaitais glisser "aphorisme dadaïste" puis "bar blues" au lieu de "bas bleus" et "donner ma langue aux chattes" à la place de "chat". Elle a trouvé cela vulgaire alors qu'elle faisait chanter cela à une gamine de quatorze ans en mini-jupe. Elle a raison, la vulgarité évolue...

Mylène Farmer refused. I wished to slip in "aphorisme dadaïste" [Dadaistic aphorism] beside "bar blues" in lieu of "bas bleus" and "donner ma langue aux chattes" in place of "chat". She found these to be vulgar considering that it was sung as if by a fourteen year old girl in a miniskirt. She's right, vulgarity does ensue . . .

[Killian]

Originally Posted by Deepwaters

Mylène Farmer refused. I wished to slip in "aphorisme dadaïste" [Dadaistic aphorism] beside "bar blues" in lieu of "bas bleus" and "donner ma langue aux chattes" in place of "chat". She found these to be vulgar considering that it was sung as if by a fourteen year old girl in a miniskirt. She's right, vulgarity does ensue . . .

Wait she thought this would be vulgar, I am confused didn't she already slip hidden meanings into the songs?

[Deepwaters]

The key word there, I believe, is "hidden." Yes, there's a lesbian connotation to "donner ma langue aux chat," but the French slang for a vagina is "chatte" not "chat," (if I'm not mistaken) so replacing the word would have made it too up-front and obvious. One of the dividers between sexy and crude is subtlety.

[Killian]

Oh, I understand now, thanks Deep. Mylène was clever, using mere innuendos, whereas Julien wanted to be upfront, and overly crude about it.

[Rev]

Originally Posted by Killian

Oh, I understand now, thanks Deep. Mylène was clever, using mere innuendos, whereas Julien wanted to be upfront, and overly crude about it.

He is one wierd dude.

[fsquared]

Originally Posted by Deepwaters

Mylène Farmer refused. I wished to slip in "aphorisme dadaïste" [Dadaistic aphorism] beside "bar blues" in lieu of "bas bleus" and "donner ma langue aux chattes" in place of "chat". She found these to be vulgar considering that it was sung as if by a fourteen year old girl in a miniskirt. She's right, vulgarity does ensue . . .

Right after that, the article says "...balance-t-il ironiquement."

I get the feeling he was kind of rolling his eyes sarcastically, like "Gee, she decided these lyrics would be, like, too vulgar...remember when they were being sung by a 14-year-old girl in a miniskirt? Gee, hmm, I guess the meaning of 'vulgar' has changed over the years..."

BTW what is the pronunciation difference between "chattes" and "chat"? One slightly audible "t"?

[CFHollister]

Originally Posted by fsquared

BTW what is the pronunciation difference between "chattes" and "chat"? One slightly audible "t"?

transcribing to English:
/shaht/ vs. /shah/

[Deepwaters]

Well, on this one I agree with Mylène and disagree with Julien. (Admittedly I'm biased because I don't much like Julien's version of ML to begin with.) I did see the bit about irony, but disagree with that as well. I just don't consider Mylène to be vulgar. She's very sexual at times, and also very dark, dealing with sex, death, and despair, but not crude. Usually.